#meatcamp Transcript, 01 April 2010

We love regs!  <– APRIL FOOL!  Tonight we discussed various FSIS questions that are up for discussion right now, namely about the issue of validation.  Here’s what we had to say…


KyFarmersMatter @Pleasanthouse In plant inspectors do NOT know until the hammer comes down! #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla RT @tweef32@tgnh get media outlets interested in this story. the numbers alone make for shocking headlines. #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh I think Amy said she guessed many small abattoirs might not even be aware of this? We need to call them ALL #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FairFoodFight I have talking points/bullet points and a consumer-friendly article in the pipeline. Might go up tomorrow? #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @nycUlla I hope we’re helping clarify things a bit–I’m sure this conversation will be ongoing #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @Pleasanthouse IMHO, I don’t think they dislike smalls, they are just disconnected frm the effects that their mandates hv on us #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse I’m happy to hear that the inspectors prefer small operations. Hopefully they will be a help in this situation? #meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @dadekian @AdrianaV We’ll work to create bullet points; are you avail to comment/clarify B4 we post? @fairfoodfight#meatcamp -9:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @tgnh get media outlets interested in this story. the numbers alone make for shocking headlines. #meatcamp -9:23 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm #meatcamp when a recipe says cook to 170 how many use a thermometer to make sure it’s not 168? Yet expect processors 2compensate -9:23 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FairFoodFight @AdrianaV It’s an entire infrastructure that wd have to be developed. That wd be expensive. #meatcamp -9:23 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @tgnh Pretty much. #meatcamp -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian RT @AdrianaV: Think someone else may have said this already, but bullet points say so much so quickly. #meatcamp -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh So, we have 20 days to get as many interested parties to write/call…what are other ideas to get a ground swell? #meatcamp -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm #meatcamp seems like for most things if end user cooked it properly even if it did exist it’s not an issue -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AdrianaV Think someone else may have said this already, but bullet points say so much so quickly. #meatcamp -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @Minkpuppy Thanks for your reply, I always learn from you all here at #meatcamp -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Based on tonight’s conversation, what do you plan to do?#meatcamp -9:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @nycUlla did my most recent blog post help? #meatcamp -9:21 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AdrianaV @FairFoodFight Is irradiation expensive (equipment, power)?#meatcamp -9:21 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @iTweetMeat Thanks for all your work clarifying this all. I am still confused. #meatcamp -9:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat RT @Minkpuppy: I think inspectors like smaller plants–they are more friendly and U can rly develop a good relationship with them #meatcamp -9:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FairFoodFight @foodieworld Irradiation is always right around the corner in food safety strategizing. #meatcamp -9:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse @KyFarmersMatter I should have asked which one government likes #meatcamp -9:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Within system RT @KyFarmersMatter@nycUlla Traceback is referring 2 meat traceback from one plant to another, not farm traceback. #meatcamp -9:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy I think inspectors like smaller plants–they are more friendly and you can really develop a good relationship with them#meatcamp -9:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor Thanks #meatcamp folks. Must attend to my little ones. Suggestion to provide a link (prob already have) to comment area of reg. Best, NJT -9:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @nycUlla Traceback is referring to meat traceback from one plant to another, not farm traceback. #meatcamp -9:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse @KyFarmersMatter interesting. I think asking which one inspectors like was maybe the wrong ? though. #meatcamp -9:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @nycUlla I agree. But that is not the issue at hand here.#meatcamp -9:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @AdrianaV a cmpetitve disadvantage with big plants but there wudnt B other small plants to even compete with. #meatcamp -9:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @iTweetMeat traceback is an issue that gets me steamed too. That benefits (large)feedlots not farms like mine. #meatcamp -9:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Seems to make most sense: RT @iTweetMeat I think we need to spend more money finding cause of the problem (i.e, traceback), NOT… #meatcamp -9:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish @iTweetMeat I will be anxiously awaiting!!! #meatcamp -9:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld Can I throw this out-whatever happened to talk of irradiation to kill e. coli, etc? Just curious… #meatcamp -9:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor YES! RT @iTweetMeat: I think we need to spend more money finding cause of the problem (i.e, traceback), NOT reinventing the wheel #meatcamp -9:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @Pleasanthouse Generally, they prefer the small. We comply, don’t fight. We had 14 inspectors vying for our plant.#meatcamp -9:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Those costs need to be out for proof: RT @tweef32:@AdrianaV yes, my posted costs alone would put any small plant out of biz, b… #meatcamp -9:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AdrianaV @tweef32 And passing on the cost to consumers would put you at a competitive disadvantage, I’m guessing? #meatcamp -9:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @nycUlla E.coli is part of it, food safety also includes other pathogens like SAlmonella, Listeria, Campylobacter etc #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse In all fairness if it may not be about big vs. small. But I wonder which system inspectors prefer and why? #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @AdrianaV yes, my posted costs alone would put any small plant out of biz, big plants could sustain it tho #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @KyFarmersMatter: Chris is right. This isn’t David vs Goliath. This is FSIS being disconnected frm the daily happenings at a small plant. #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @locavorish CHOICE #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @carrieoliver: Q8 This is not about sm/vs. lg processors, it’s about ability to buy meat from known place. What do you need to advocate 4 choice? #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @AdrianaV It *may* if they produce a variety of things, i.e. slaughter, fresh products, suasages, etc. #meatcamp -9:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish @iTweetMeat what is it about in 140? #meatcamp -9:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @iTweetMeat It has to have something to do with consumer confidence. Billions of dollars are at steak(pun intended!) #meatcamp -9:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil Hello @iTweetMeat just trying to understand how best to support were these issues stem from may have come in late#meatcamp -9:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @nycUlla And frankly, there are a lot of small processors who don’t understand why they do what they do. This helps that problem. #meatcamp -9:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AdrianaV @iTweetMeat Less testing for small processors–but does it still hit them harder proportionally? #meatcamp -9:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver Q8 This is not about sm/vs. lg processors, it’s about ability to buy meat from known place. What do you need to advocate 4 choice? #meatcamp -9:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Seems like size doesn’t matter: RT @iTweetMeat My goodness this is not about big vs. small processors, folks. Please, stop say… #meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Chris is right. This isn’t David vs Goliath. This is FSIS being disconnected frm the daily happenings at a small plant.#meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @nycUlla It’s not known why they’re pushing for it. E. coli, Listeria, Salmonella, etc #meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse RT @foodieworld: RT @NYFarmer @carrieoliver Big Meat doesnt want competition, they r happy if no slaughterhouses 4 local farmers, forces 2 1 plant #meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @tgnh I am always rallying for less regulation for smaller plants:P But yes, I have emailed my crew. #meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: My goodness this is not about big vs. small processors, folks. Please, stop saying thats what its about.#meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld RT @NYFarmer @carrieoliver Big Meat doesnt want competition, they r happy if no slaughterhouses 4 local farmers, forces 2 1 plant #meatcamp -9:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @iTweetMeat Aren’t they pushing validation because of ecoli?#meatcamp -9:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat My goodness this is not about big vs. small processors, folks. Please, stop saying that’s what it’s about. #meatcamp -9:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Thank you. RT @tweef32: I have commented to senators, FSIS, congressmn, banks, papers, SBA, etc #meatcamp -9:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @tweef32 Good idea. I owe my banker & SBA a mere FORTUNE #meatcamp -9:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh @tweef32 Could you share some of the letters you’ve written for us to jump off from? #meatcamp -9:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


enlocale RT @tweef32: After 10 years of HACCP I don’t think validation at this stage is going to make for safer food. #meatcamp -9:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @NYFarmer That is right! They want commodity beef to SEEM safe w/ validation but at the expense of our rural communities.#meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @NYFarmer This is not about “big meat” competing! The small guys are required to perform less tests in this. #meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @dadekian Congress holds the purse strings for USDA.#meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil RT @AdrianaV@carrieoliver Big Meat does not want competition, they r happy if no slaughterhouses 4 local farmers…#meatcamp #meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 I have commented to senators, FSIS, congressmn, banks, papers, SBA, etc #meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @dadekian Congress ultimately has the ultimate say. Contact them all. #meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian @FVCattle Understood, but really are there any in Congress going to run pro or con on this? There’s more public battles for them.#meatcamp -9:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AdrianaV RT @NYFarmer@carrieoliver Big Meat does not want competition, they r happy if no slaughterhouses 4 local farmers…#meatcamp -9:11 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil Hello @CarrieOliver sounds right, not sure that’s it would make a good cover seems I’ve smelled this before in the cattle market#meatcamp -9:11 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Its an election year? RT @dadekian: Not sure why Congress. Is this a law or simply a USDA rule? #meatcamp -9:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @FVCattle I think both need to be contacted–this comment period needs to be extended and thats how to do it.#meatcamp -9:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @FVCattle AAMP has suggested doing both. #meatcamp -9:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


NYFarmer @carrieoliver Big Meat does not want competition, they r happy if no slaughterhouses 4 local farmers, forces us 2 1 plant#meatcamp -9:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat There are a host of resources about commenting and other nuances available here – http://www.aamp.com/Validation.php#meatcamp -9:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Not sure why Congress. Is this a law or simply a USDA rule?#meatcamp -9:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Better to comment to FSIS or Senator/Congress or Both? RT@iTweetMeat: Q7 – There is a 30-day comment window. #meatcamp -9:09 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AdrianaV Hi everyone–tuning in late (sorry). Adriana from Brooklyn: eater, home cook, sometime writer, meat lover #meatcamp -9:09 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: I think we need to spend more money finding the cause of the problem (i.e, traceback), NOT reinventing the wheel #meatcamp -9:09 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q7: There needs to be phone calls to congressmen, senators, trade organizations #meatcamp -9:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat I think we need to spend more money finding the cause of the problem (i.e, traceback), NOT reinventing the wheel #meatcamp -9:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @Minkpuppy: Q7: Comment period can be extended but there needs to be a massive response in the next 2 wks for that to happen #meatcamp -9:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


cloveragent RT @cloveragent@iTweetMeat have I missed where we comment at?: forgot the #meatcamp -9:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @GreenSoil I think it’s pressure from consumers/lawyers/antimeat ppl who want better meat but being misinterpreted by FSIS #meatcamp -9:07 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q7: Comment period can be extended but there needs to be a massive response in the next 2 wks for that to happen#meatcamp -9:07 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Q7 Would seem big drive should be to have all make comments during 30-day window. Identical bulletproof comments from each 1 of us #meatcamp -9:07 PM Apr 1st, 2010


fourgreenis Is there a link to submit a comment? I missed it.#meatcamp -9:06 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil Hi @CarrieOliver were is the “push” coming from I’ve found that there is usually an Industry base behind this form of ccontrol?#meatcamp -9:05 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @iTweetMeat that’s good–I’m not sure what Texas A&M and Iowa State are up to lately. Need to go check out websites#meatcamp -9:05 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver Q7 as long as the comment period is open there is a chance 2influence chage 2repair the problems#meatcamp -9:05 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q7 – They’re only in draft form now. There is a 30-day comment window. #meatcamp -9:05 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 USDA has askd for cmts RT @carrieoliver: Q7 – Are these new regulations a sure thing or can we take action to have them changed?#meatcamp -9:04 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil hello @CarrieOliver were is the puch coming from#meatcamp -9:04 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 the new element governmentium! RT @DaisiePusher:@kubileya What genius thought this up? Nonsense! Hogwash!#meatcamp -9:04 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver Q7 – Are these new regulations a sure thing or can we take action to have them changed? #meatcamp -9:03 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Decade is longtime 2decide 2wakeup RT @tweef32: After 10yr of HACCP I dont think validation at this stage is going2make4safer food #meatcamp -9:03 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @Minkpuppy There should be a PSU + UNL video available sometime… #meatcamp -9:03 PM Apr 1st, 2010


DaisiePusher @kubileya What genius thought this up? Nonsense! Hogwash! #meatcamp -9:03 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @iTweetMeat: Good point, Mike. RT @tweef32: After 10 years of HACCP I dont think validation at this stage is going to make for safer food. #meatcamp -9:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @iTweetMeat I’m actually surprised that more Universities haven’t published articles on in-plant HACCP #meatcamp -9:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish #localmeat is good #meatcamp -9:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian @carrieoliver Sorry had to run to check kid again, but yes, boiled down simple points work best to grab attention & start.#meatcamp -9:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Good point, Mike. RT @tweef32: After 10 years of HACCP I dont think validation at this stage is going to make for safer food.#meatcamp -9:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle #localmeat#meatcamp -9:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish @iTweetMeat it was in Lancaster, and hour from the Phoenixville Farmers Market #meatcamp -9:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


fourgreenis RT @kubileya: Bummed 2be missing #meatcamp– still working. But all #profood #localfood #realfood tweeps shd tune in to learn abt dangerous new FSIS regs -9:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 #noBnoMeat #meatcamp -9:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q6 – In a way, I think there will be slight wheel reinvention… and, given the lack of sci info calling 4 this, not a whole lot! #meatcamp -9:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q6: IMO, it won’t. Testing is limited–you won’t catch everything ur sampling for. Traceback is the big issue here.#meatcamp -9:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


kubileya Bummed 2be missing #meatcamp– still working. But all#profood #localfood #realfood tweeps shd tune in to learn abt dangerous new FSIS regs -9:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm maybe that’s why small producers speaking up on NAIS was “effective” they had this in mind to stop critics #meatcampUSDA controls/ed both -9:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 After 10 years of HACCP I don’t think validation at this stage is going to make for safer food. #meatcamp -9:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle #keeplocalmeat#meatcamp -9:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver Q6 – Good ? and No, IMO the impact is gr8r than the return. Shud focus on traceback issues #meatcamp -8:59 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @locavorish Here in State College? Glad it was a program! I was in DC Tues… learning more about this fun stuff 😉 #meatcamp -8:59 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh @nyculla Will you rally NY? Contacting butchers & farmers mrk managers? #meatcamp -8:59 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 No! RT @carrieoliver: Q6 – Will the new regulations have a positive impact on food quality or food safety? #meatcamp -8:58 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Q6 Chris? #meatcamp -8:58 PM Apr 1st, 2010


fourgreenis @Pleasanthouse government never fixes any “unintended consequences”. Read about #CPSIA, put lots of small biz out of biz.#meatcamp -8:58 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver Q6 – Will the new regulations have a positive impact on food quality or food safety? If not, why are they being proposed?#meatcamp -8:58 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm @KyFarmersMatter that’s what I thought ty#meatcamp -8:57 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish @iTweetMeat spent the day on Tues at a PennState Mkt managers conference- it was great! and prolocal!! #meatcamp -8:57 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @SlowMoneyFarm Yes, mixing species in the same ground would be yet another process2be validated #meatcamp -8:57 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh @locavorish I will! Where is @follownathan? let’s ask him to hit VT#meatcamp -8:57 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter We’re listening! RT @Minkpuppy: Think FSIS tryin 2show thy take foodsafety seriously due2recent recalls,not put anybody out of biz #meatcamp -8:57 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @locavorish Sooo…. What do you need in PA? #meatcamp -8:56 PM Apr 1st, 2010


meatcamp RT @Minkpuppy: Think FSIS trying to show that they take food safety seriously due to recent recalls, not put anybody out of biz#meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 RT @FVCattle: They got our attention! RT @Minkpuppy: I think FSIS is trying to show that they are taking food safety seriously#meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @locavorish I agree about the local / greater inspection disconnect. I think there will be more to discuss about this.#meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Let’s hope good intentions of gov. don’t make it impossible for the small and medium folks to do business #meatcamp-8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish @tgnh DM me and I will contact PA with similar info#meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle They got our attention! RT @Minkpuppy: I think FSIS is trying to show that they are taking food safety seriously #meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @Pleasanthouse And ranching associations I know don’t support these proposed regs #meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse I’m sure FSIS has good intentions, just as our President does. Let’s hope their intentions don’t cut out the small producers#meatcamp -8:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @KyFarmersMatter: RT @iTweetMeat: & nevermind that part of this says indicator organisms will suffice in plc of pathogens 2generate reduction ugh #meatcamp -8:54 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld They’ll use National Security 2 scare all RT@Pleasanthouse: Excuse for big business to control every single step…#meatcamp -8:54 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @Pleasanthouse I’m going to disagree with you on this and call it a generalization. And I’m not big business, but know C-Levels #meatcamp -8:54 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy I think FSIS is trying to show that they are taking food safety seriously due to recent recalls, not put anybody out of business#meatcamp -8:53 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh How can we rally support? Each of us adopt a contingency to contact? ie: I’ll contact all mrk mgrs and butchers in ME & NH#meatcamp -8:53 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @NCavillones We’re working on making simple. Bottom line right intentions (perhaps) but will put sm. processors/farmers out of biz #meatcamp -8:53 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish can’t be local & safe?complete irony everywhere I turn as a mkt manager I see govt pushing farmers markets… now they say unsafe? #meatcamp -8:53 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: & nevermind that part of this says indicator organisms will suffice in plc of pathogens 2generate reduction ugh #meatcamp -8:52 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Excuse for big business to control every single step of growing the food, processing it and packaging it a million ways#meatcamp -8:52 PM Apr 1st, 2010


ChaffinOrchards RT @Pleasanthouse: Big business is telling operators that you cannot be “local and safe.” #meatcamp -8:52 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm @KyFarmersMatter right but in addition – if I want lamb burger w/ a little fat from hog for sausage – diff still from either#meatcamp -8:52 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @Pleasanthouse Over half the Natl Rest Assoc are independent operators (not sure exact %) #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Double BS! RT @Pleasanthouse: Big business is telling operators that you cannot be “local and safe.” bullshit to that.#meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


NCavillones @CarrieOliver where can i read about the new USDA regulations without my eyes glazing over? #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Big business says “you can only know your food is safe it has our 5 star seal of safety blah, blah, blah stamp on it.”#meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


AngeloMancuso RT @KyFarmersMatter: In addition, we purchase 100’s of livestock ery year frm area farmers of all ranges at premium prices. THIS WILL END #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld Where can I get link 2 tonight’s questions? I’m failing using Q#’s #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh Could we get some more cost impact stories like @tweef32 and Amy have shared? #’s talk. #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @Pleasanthouse IMO I don’t think it’s big business. I don’t think FSIS is trying to be the bad guy here. #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Yes & Varied Farms RT @FVCattle: For economic survival ?RT @KyFarmersMatter: Yes, most of us do offer multiple species/products #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @carrieoliver@dadekian We need to boil complicated issue down to simple you-can’t-buy-from-your-favorite-farm really clear & ask 4 help w/ FSIS #meatcamp -8:51 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm @Pleasanthouse true but if allowing contamination @ source that won’t change #meatcamp -8:50 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Big business is telling operators that you cannot be “local and safe.” bullshit to that. #meatcamp -8:50 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @SlowMoneyFarm Yes, exactly. Lamb burger, Beef Burger, Ground Pork, Ground Goat all separate species #meatcamp -8:50 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor Haven’t seen one Barth. Hope UR well. RT @FairFoodFight: Is there a hashtag for this issue yet? #meatcamp -8:50 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @Pleasanthouse There are many multi-unit operations that will see it as a threat though #meatcamp -8:50 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @dadekian We need to boil complicated issue down to simple you-can’t-buy-from-your-favorite-farm really clear & ask 4 help w/ FSIS #meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat And, nevermind that part of this says indicator organisms will suffice in place of pathogens to generate a reduction … ugh#meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Applebee’s already bragging about their “calorie counts.” BIg deal. They’ll adapt to any regulations thrown at them.#meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


fourgreenis RT @Pleasanthouse: Gov’s sterile, big business approach to food will result in sterile food. Chilis, Applebees, won’t complain.#meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @iTweetMeat we have 7 diff HACCP plans and about 40 valu added products #meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @dadekian Yes I know some in BOS and some in PDX. Natl board is the one to go too #meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm seems small processors more likely to have more variety/species #meatcamp volume doesn’t allow variety -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle For economic survival ?RT @KyFarmersMatter: Yes, most of us do offer multiple species/products #meatcamp -8:49 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Gov’s sterile, big business approach to food will result in sterile food. Chilis, Applebees, won’t complain. #meatcamp -8:48 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor Which means small biz goes belly up. RT @iTweetMeat: Q4@carrieoliver Potentially need to charge double to maintain same profit. #meatcamp -8:48 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @Pleasanthouse Larger facilities tend 2b “specialized” Example, only slaughter or only grind so only one plan2validate#meatcamp -8:48 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian @carrieoliver I know some Chefs Collaborative people here. What would you want to put in front of them? #meatcamp -8:48 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm @KyFarmersMatter the way I read it from farm side, mixed meats need yet another? say lamb/beef burger #meatcamp -8:48 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 RT @iTweetMeat@FVCattle Exactly. Many species, many cooked products, many other fresh products, etc. #meatcamp -8:48 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Yes, most of us do offer multiple species/products RT @FVCattle: Most small processors? #meatcamp -8:47 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse Gov. thinks if everything done in one plant–easy to inspect. UV lights, antimicrobial material on the floors, sterile.#meatcamp -8:47 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @FVCattle For example, how many diff HACCP plans do you have, Grant? #meatcamp -8:47 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @FVCattle Exactly. Many species, many cooked products, many other fresh products, etc. #meatcamp -8:47 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @carrieoliver the steak companies also don’t have mutiple processes or diff products #meatcamp -8:47 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Multiple products/Multiple Species – Ie. Sausages, brats, bacons, hams, bbq, sheep/goat, beef, pork, poultry #meatcamp-8:47 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Most small processors? RT @KyFarmersMatter: RT@iTweetMeat: The problem mayb 4folks who produce many diff products. #meatcamp -8:46 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FairFoodFight Hashtags: #meatfight#haccpfight#Freethemeat 😉#grilltheregs #meatcamp -8:46 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @carrieoliver Do 1 process – beef slaughter. And produce 2 or 3 difft raw product categories. That’s it. Will be able to comply.#meatcamp -8:46 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @carrieoliver Oldways Preservation & Trust Exchange in Cambridge MA – they got Chefs Collaborative off the ground circa 1980 #meatcamp -8:46 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: As written,there is som adjustment for plant size w/this. The problem mayb 4folks who produce many diff products. #meatcamp -8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @Pleasanthouse IMO, the fruit and vegetable producers get off easy compared w/ meat inspection. #meatcamp -8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @GreenSoil Doubt it would affect Harris Ranch, Omaha Steaks, or similar as they don’t source farm-specific meat. #meatcamp-8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 don’t kno that USDA undrstnds scale but sure RT @tgnh:@tweef32 scaled to volume? #meatcamp -8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman Sorry tweeples – in Twitterchat #meatcamp : How Your Meat Buying Choices Are Threatened by New Proposed Regs -8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm Q4 the way I see it direct sales stop without a processor – needs to be USDA in order to sell meats or in many ways give it away #meatcamp -8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat As written, there is some adjustment for plant size with this. The problem may be for folks who produce many diff products.#meatcamp -8:45 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @JeffreyJKingman I have proposal to present at@chefscollaborative but not until Oct. Can you help get them involved earlier? #meatcamp -8:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh @tweef32 scaled to volume? #meatcamp -8:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Pleasanthouse It’s won’t only happen w/ meat but with produce. Leafy greens. Can ur local farmer afford to put an inspection stamp on spinach? #meatcamp -8:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @dadekian drastically increase or eliminate altogether. Its that serious. #meatcamp -8:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat #nbnm RT @carrieoliver@FairFoodFight Great question.#nobutchernomeat is too long. Any other ideas? #meatcamp -8:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman Could someone RT the original nexus of draft legislation here in Twitter? #meatcamp (sorry, late( -8:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @FVCattle That’s another problem. Um, apparently this will adress a handful of problems (that remain mysteriously unknown…)#meatcamp -8:43 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q4: Producers will have limited choices of where to take their animals and won’t have as much control over how meat is marketed #meatcamp -8:43 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @tgnh less emphasis on testing #meatcamp -8:43 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @FairFoodFight Great question. #nobutchernomeat is too long. Any other ideas? #meatcamp -8:43 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle @iTweetMeat What does the science say about new regs and increased food safety? #meatcamp -8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Q4 I would think it’s drastically increase price of meat that local restaurants & consumers at markets already thinks is too high.#meatcamp -8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld Yes, & that angers me! RT @KyFarmersMatter: Your choice is being taken away. #meatcamp -8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @iTweetMeat I would suggest Chefs Collaborative, Slow Food USA, Amer Culinary Federation, trade publishers #meatcamp-8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FairFoodFight Is there a hashtag for this issue yet? #meatcamp -8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor Q3 probably complete loss of choice and/or VERY high prices when I go to the butcher I have been frequenting for 6 yrs now#meatcamp -8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh What are some possible solutions to make it palatable for small processors? ie: tax write-down etc #meatcamp -8:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @carrieoliver: Q4 What are the implications of new USDA regs for farmers/ranchers who want to sell their meat thru farmers markets, CSAs, online? #meatcamp -8:41 PM Apr 1st, 2010


yourlocalfoods James in Vancouver, regulatory pressure on sm processors in Canada now & gov tendency to watch US for ideas! (in/out tonight) #meatcamp -8:41 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 RT @KyFarmersMatter: Your choice is being taken away.#meatcamp -8:41 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Your choice is being taken away. #meatcamp -8:41 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @tgnh Poke through this point by point. It’ll get ya there –http://www.aamp.com/Validation.php #meatcamp -8:40 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld @carrieoliver Thanks for FB info. I’ll be sure to spread the word! #meatcamp -8:40 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 Yes! RT @iTweetMeat: Perhaps some culinary groups or food coalitions could write a comment on the draft rule #meatcamp -8:40 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish RT @natejtaylor: RT @iTweetMeat: How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant. #meatcamp -8:40 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver Q4 What are the implications of new USDA regs for farmers/ranchers who want to sell their meat thru farmers markets, CSAs, online? #meatcamp -8:40 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Perhaps some culinary groups or food coalitions could write a comment on the draft rule #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy I see this having a major impact on the state inspected plants in TX–lots of Local sausage & smokehouses around here#meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Agree 100% RT @iTweetMeat: IMO, there are “good” elements to this. The execution of it needs to be rethought. #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh I want to be ready…what are the most pressing opposing views?#meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: IMO, there are “good” elements to this. The execution of it needs to be rethought. #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor RT @iTweetMeat: How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant.#meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @dadekian @coffeefestshow @fairfoodfight Welcome! Imagine world where no choice but commodity/unknown source. So much wld B lost #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter I know this all sounds too crazy to believe. But these ARE real issues & comment period ends April 19th #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat IMO, there are “good” elements to this. The execution of it needs to be rethought. #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat There are going to be a few more discussions over the next few days about how groups can approach this. #meatcamp -8:39 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat RT @KyFarmersMatter@CoffeeFestShow this also includes STATE inspection also, not just USDA #meatcamp -8:38 PM Apr 1st, 2010


poundforpound @carrieoliver Will join the FB page tonight. #meatcamp-8:38 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @CoffeeFestShow this also includes STATE inspection also, not just USDA #meatcamp -8:38 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman What does this mean for Chefs that are doing nose-to-tail? #meatcamp -8:37 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil RT @natejtaylor: RT @KyFarmersMatter@carrieoliver Yes, good point. I won’t need feed if I can’t sell my meat 😉 #meatcamp -8:37 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @CoffeeFestShow They would not B able to to nose-to-tail w/ cattle that they “know.” Just buy sides from XYZ Meat Co (potentially) #meatcamp -8:37 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @CoffeeFestShow We cannot sell to restaurants w/o USDA inspection. If we cannot afford the inspection, we cannot offer. No meat4U #meatcamp -8:37 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman Sorry I’m late. It’s VERY important to from-scratch restaurants this issue. #meatcamp -8:37 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld YES! RT @Minkpuppy: Q3: I see fewer choices for consumers and higher prices. Let’s not forget lower quality products as well. #meatcamp -8:36 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle RT Use commodity beef only? @CoffeeFestShow: What does this mean for Chefs that are doing nose-to-tail? #meatcamp -8:36 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Welcome, newcomers to #meatcamp -8:36 PM Apr 1st, 2010


CoffeeFestShow Sorry I’m late. It’s VERY important to from-scratch restaurants this issue. #meatcamp -8:36 PM Apr 1st, 2010


dadekian Hello, apologies, toddler wouldn’t sleep. Trying to get up to speed now. #meatcamp -8:36 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FairFoodFight Hey meatcampers. Putting the kids to bed and listening in. #meatcamp -8:36 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @foodieworld @poundforpound To start, sign up for No Butchers, No Meat! on Facebook. http://bit.ly/9cQl3z #meatcamp -8:35 PM Apr 1st, 2010


CoffeeFestShow What does this mean for Chefs that are doing nose-to-tail? #meatcamp -8:35 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor @iTweetMeat hola Chris! Here to listen and learn.#meatcamp -8:35 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm opens raise-it-yourself newbies up to ‘cruelty’ charges if kill isn’t quick 1st time rather than done right/quick#meatcamp -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor @CarrieOliver I don’t know Carrie, and it is a serious issue. I am trying to learn more about it myself. #meatcamp -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld RT @poundforpound: For consumers, what can we do to make this situation better? #meatcamp -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm seems like from an animal welfare standpoint it’s bad news too #meatcamp better right equip/skills than not killing quickly -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q3 – May cause regional / small / local meat products to go bye bye, along with the ppl who work at the plant(?) #meatcamp -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @locavorish There is more info available here alsohttp://bit.ly/cwrO2l #meatcamp -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh @locavorish Welcome! Thanks for joining…we need to spread the word to market managers like you! #meatcamp -8:34 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q3: I see fewer choices for consumers and higher prices. Let’s not forget lower quality products as well. #meatcamp -8:33 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @locavorish This is a uber-complicated jargon-laden topic. Here’s some starters: http://bit.ly/9ufR11 #meatcamp -8:33 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld Hey Foodie Tweeps! Join us tonight for #meatcamp -8:32 PM Apr 1st, 2010


GreenSoil Annie Haven grass fed livestock producer Murrieta, Ca late but here hanging back to watch see if I can be of help #meatcamp -8:32 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm many areas even getting sheep, goats done is tough to find someone to do it #meatcamp & cannot sell meat direct w/o it -8:32 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh For me (as consumer) in New England, it probably will mean no local meats at all if our butchers go under…and they are small.#meatcamp -8:32 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm Q3 appears to mean no more choices; buy from those approved to sell or don’t sell #meatcamp -8:31 PM Apr 1st, 2010


locavorish could someone share a link for me re this issue? I am a market manager and need to know how it will impact us. #meatcamp -8:31 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @SlowMoneyFarm Gr8 point. I buy several 1000’s of rabbits annually. This will also END. #meatcamp -8:31 PM Apr 1st, 2010


foodieworld Michele here a bit late. Foodie and enjoy learning more ag stuff. #meatcamp -8:30 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Q3 Fewer choices #meatcamp -8:30 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm very few places do rabbit (example) which gives rise to importing more valued than domestic even if not standards#meatcamp -8:30 PM Apr 1st, 2010


meatcamp RT @KyFarmersMatter: In add’n, we buy 100s of livestock ery year frm area farmers of all ranges at premium prices. THIS WILL END #meatcamp -8:30 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @iTweetMeat I agree but I have serious issues around how it’s being implemented. It seems 2 B knee jerk rxn to recent recalls#meatcamp -8:30 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q3: Among the expense and logistical conundrum for processors, what does this mean for consumers? #meatcamp -8:29 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter In addition, we purchase 100’s of livestock ery year frm area farmers of all ranges at premium prices. THIS WILL END#meatcamp -8:29 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Nope. Just how to get from hoof to plate RT @cloveragent: so govt is telling me what I myself can grow and eat??? #meatcamp -8:29 PM Apr 1st, 2010


poundforpound For us consumers, what can we do to make this situation better? Is the focus now defeating these new regulations?#meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat IMO, some of this needs to happen, right @Minkpuppy? Maybe just not this way… #meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh RT @iTweetMeat: How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant.#meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @cloveragent I don’t think that’s the intention, but that’s might be what’s happening (?) #meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


JeffreyJKingman @iTweetMeat dammit – i’ve missed #meatcamp yet once again. -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @cloveragent It may become that way sadly #meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh @dadekian @localisbetter @lisamackhill @livinglocalnh Hi Guys! Meatcamp is on…we need you to join in! #meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant. #meatcamp -8:28 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 RT @iTweetMeat: How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant.#meatcamp -8:27 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver RT @iTweetMeat: How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant.#meatcamp -8:27 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm Q2 sorry for delay (broken water pipe) #meatcamp – large processors don’t do some animals too – getting under 50-100 head tough -8:27 PM Apr 1st, 2010


cloveragent @itweetmeat so gov’t is telling me what I myself can grow and eat??? #meatcamp -8:27 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat How about this: Potentially, no farmer wud b able to sell his/her meat @ Farmers Market, or to a restaurant. #meatcamp -8:27 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @iTweetMeat yes, I am here to educate farmers so they can suceed. too much to ask for help in return? #meatcamp -8:27 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle @iTweetMeat: How soon til custom exempt will have to participate? #meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat@FVCattle That, and I think it illustrates the fundamental disconnect between producers and processors. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver If not USDA/state inspected one can only buy whole beef, pig, lamb, etc. $ up front. Vry hard for any1 let alone low income@tgnh #meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @iTweetMeat Good point! They won’t be able to get a steer processed at the local butcher. Legal issues involved w/do it yourself#meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 RT @iTweetMeat@FVCattle That, and I think it illustrates the fundamental disconnect between producers and processors.#meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


cloveragent Sm cattle farmer, some freezer beef & 4-H Extension Agent. I have the kids 2night while hubby works at sale barn so I’m n & out. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Unless the beef is custom processed for the farmer/rancher only. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @iTweetMeat: So, even ppl who raise a few steers 4self & sell 1000s more 2larger packers may not be able to eat their own beef. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @FVCattle That, and I think it illustrates the fundamental disconnect between producers and processors. #meatcamp -8:25 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat So, even the ppl who raise a few steers for self and sell thousands more to larger packers may not be able to eat their own beef. #meatcamp -8:25 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver Yes, good point. I won’t need feed if I can’t sell my meat 😉 cc: @natejtaylor #meatcamp -8:25 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Happening 2 quick Not enuf time to get word out? RT@iTweetMeat: Q2 This is a HUGE #agvocacy opportunity! Where are you, folks? #meatcamp -8:25 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Hi Nate! #meatcamp -8:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @natejtaylor Welcome, Nate. This really serious issue for farmers (including corn, soybean not just meat). Where R the farmers?#meatcamp -8:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Hi! RT @natejtaylor: Nate Taylor here Sycamore, IL. Hear to listen and learn. Participate when can. On the blackberry. #meatcamp.#meatcamp -8:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @tgnh Product slaughtered as Custom cannot be retailed. Must be sold “on hoof” #meatcamp -8:24 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @tgnh Custom Exempt is w/o Inspection svcs, selling livestock on the hoof. Cannot sell meat, only livestock #meatcamp -8:23 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q2 Very true, @MinkPuppy, and mny don’t know that can come to folks like me for that information. #meatcamp -8:23 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q2: IMO, the lack of $$ and access to the information they need will make it virtually impossible 4 them to meet regs #meatcamp-8:23 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh Can you explain the exempt’s (retail & custom) again? #meatcamp-8:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


natejtaylor Nate Taylor here Sycamore, IL. Hear to listen and learn. Participate when can. On the blackberry. #meatcamp. -8:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q2: Folks, we’re talking 100’s of thousands of dollars just to start #meatcamp -8:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q2 This is a HUGE #agvocacy opportunity! Where are you, folks? #agchat #realfood #profood #ag4all < 1 month to make comments! #meatcamp -8:22 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @ProteinSlayer And I’d add that direct marketing takes on mny forms, will also b hard 4plant like Rs 2stay n biz on custom exempt #meatcamp -8:21 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q2: Many of the small processors do not have $$ resources or the access to scientific data etc that large plants have #meatcamp -8:21 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @poundforpound Sorry for a late welcome! #meatcamp -8:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q2 It is VERY serious for the small processor. Where are the #beef and #pork producers tonight? Must not #iheartbeef that much? #meatcamp -8:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @ProteinSlayer: massive unemployment possible end to direct maketers #meatcamp -8:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


ProteinSlayer massive unemployment possible end to direct maketers#meatcamp -8:20 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 If thy don’t kno abt this RT @iTweetMeat@KyFarmersMatterAnd I fear that the farmer will blame YOU for added costs. #meatcamp-8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


meatcamp @Minkpuppy Not 2 mention that stress frm transportation, if not managed well during & after trucking, is stressful & can ruin meat #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter As always! RT @iTweetMeat@KyFarmersMatter And I fear that the farmer will blame YOU for added costs. #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q2: To remain viable in this biz value added is where its at. Those services will hv 2b dropped for us. We cudnt afford 2do it. #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Yes, PA. RT @tgnh: In New England, the closest big plant is in PA I think? This will kill the farmers here as well… #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @tweef32 Thats true as well–many big plants only want large lots of animals #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @carrieoliver We can’t go out due to huge investment, wud have to cut services and raise prices. #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter And I fear that the farmer will blame YOU for added costs. #meatcamp -8:19 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @nycUlla Transportation costs to those plants will be a big factor #meatcamp -8:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @nycUlla IMO yes, sheep/goat farmers will suffer cuz cost of offering that svc w/beef&pork will b 2GR8. We will drop it.#meatcamp -8:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @KyFarmersMatter At least not for custom or direct mkt purposes #meatcamp -8:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh In New England, the closest ‘big’ plant is in PA I think? This will kill the farmers here as well… #meatcamp -8:18 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy @nycUlla It could have a big impact on sheep and goat producers–the few large processors are scattered over long distances#meatcamp -8:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver Q2 How serious is the risk that smaller processors & butchers will go out of biz & why? #meatcamp -8:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter They won’t RT @tweef32@Minkpuppy If the big plants will take them #meatcamp -8:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @Minkpuppy If the big plants will take them #meatcamp -8:17 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 RT @KyFarmersMatter@iTweetMeat Estimates show that it cud cost us $352 MORE per head of beef. We only receive avg $300 now. #meatcamp -8:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy There will increased transportation costs put on the livestock producers as well, because they will have to truck to big plants #meatcamp -8:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @tweef32@iTweetMeat yes reduce product line and raise prices #meatcamp -8:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


fourgreenis RT @carrieoliver: Q1 Many #meatcamp ‘ers support smaller meat processors & farmers. Why is our ability to do so threatened by new government regs? #meatcamp -8:16 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @iTweetMeat Estimates show that it cud cost us $352 MORE per head of beef. We only receive avg $300 now.#meatcamp -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @iTweetMeat yes reduce product line and raise prices#meatcamp -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @iTweetMeat Good to know, I am thinking this might even be worse for sheep farmers? #meatcamp Impossible for me to make sense of brief. -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q1 And, ppl said HACCP would put ppl out (and it did a few, but not many). Maybe this will be made to be manageable.#meatcamp -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle @poundforpound Hi Jack. Thank you. #meatcamp -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy I see this putting a huge strain on all aspects of the industry–if the smaller processor go down, big proc. have to fill the gaps #meatcamp -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q1 Rather than guys who produce umpteen products, I think they would reduce their product line or services offered.#meatcamp -8:15 PM Apr 1st, 2010


poundforpound Hi every1. Jack from Cambridge, MA. Mostly here 2 listen & learn what can be done 2 help small processors, butchers et al. #meatcamp -8:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @nycUlla There are some differences in this that allow “less” sampling for smaller plants. Diff is variety of products of plant.#meatcamp -8:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @meatcamp Upfront costs r not viable. We will be forced 2drop services and species just 2stay n biz & that may not b enuf #meatcamp -8:14 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q1 – OK. What could happen if it goes through? A whole lot of financial hurt. And more gray hair. Potentially, processors kaput.#meatcamp -8:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Q1 Can the hear us now? RT @Minkpuppy: Q1: FSIS was also feeling out just what was “acceptable” scientific support #meatcamp -8:13 PM Apr 1st, 2010


meatcamp Q1 Many #meatcamp ers support smaller meat processors & farmers. Why is our ability to do so threatened by new government regs? #meatcamp -8:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla Q1 from a farmer’s perspective regulations that are enforced regardless of plant size hurt us because processing costs goes up.#meatcamp -8:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat @FVCattle who knows. I think we’ll uncover these things as the conversation progresses #meatcamp -8:12 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 @FVCattle Good question, who knows? #meatcamp -8:11 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Q1: To add to Chris’s comment, IMO, FSIS was also feeling out just what was “acceptable” scientific support #meatcamp -8:11 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @iTweetMeat Let’s start w/ implications – if new regs go thru, what will happen (big picture)? #meatcamp -8:11 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle OK Then why now? RT @iTweetMeat: Q1 But, these regs arent really new. They just werent ever enforced/required. #meatcamp -8:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q1 Yes, good point. Not new, it just took FSIS 10 years to “Clarify” them #meatcamp -8:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Hi Grant! #meatcamp -8:10 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Q1 But, these regs aren’t really new. They just weren’t ever enforced/required. #meatcamp -8:09 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Welcome Grant! RT @FVCattle: Grant here from PA Beef producer, small USDA inspected facility and veterinarian #meatcamp -8:09 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh I have to admit that I do not have the wardrobe to be an activist protester! I don’t think my Jones NY suits would do…knit hat?#meatcamp -8:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm @carrieoliver ty #meatcamp – any other followers if you eat come join in; it affects everyone tonight -8:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver Q1 Many #meatcamp ‘ers support smaller meat processors & farmers. Why is our ability to do so threatened by new government regs? #meatcamp -8:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


iTweetMeat Chris, Pennsylvania, frequent #meatcamper. Glad to be here this evening talking about this important issue with you folks!#meatcamp -8:08 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla Ulla here currently in Queens. Farm raised, who has seen it all, and is a bit paranoid about who is behind this(big hint #bigAg).#meatcamp -8:07 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh This is a serious issue that has me fired up and ready to go…but I have to start off with some light humor…tbc #meatcamp -8:07 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @SlowMoneyFarm Neither – It’s just the new cost of doing business #meatcamp -8:06 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver @SlowMoneyFarm @FVCattle @NycUlla @tgnh Welcome to#meatcamp -8:06 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @FVCattle: Grant here from PA Beef producer, small USDA inspected facility and veterinarian #meatcamp -8:06 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Grant here from PA Beef producer, small USDA inspected facility and veterinarian #meatcamp -8:05 PM Apr 1st, 2010


SlowMoneyFarm is that because of the frequency? or volume?#meatcamp -8:05 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @nyculla Annual testing costs r not as much of an issue. Thy r reasonable. Its the upfront validation pending that causing issues #meatcamp -8:03 PM Apr 1st, 2010


meatcamp OK, time to talk #meatcamp & saving small processors & farmers. Carrie, founder Artisan Beef Institute, celebrating meat like wine #meatcamp -8:03 PM Apr 1st, 2010


nycUlla @KyFarmersMatter That increase is scary. How much of cost is testing protocol now? #meatcamp -8:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy Please excuse the flurry of posts while I’m participating in#meatcamp -8:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh Trish here-lover of local farms/meats. #meatcamp -8:02 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tweef32 Mike, small meat processor from PA #meatcamp -8:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Amy w/John’s Custom Meats here. I’m a beef farmer & also operate a sml USDA slaughter/processing facility w/@proteinslayer #meatcamp -8:01 PM Apr 1st, 2010


tgnh I’d usually remind folks of the filter function…but tonight I ask you to join in! Help preserve our local farms/butchers! #meatcamp -8:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @carrieoliver: All,plz join #meatcamp &protect UR right 2buy meat frm ur fav farm or butcher. Or plz excuse extra posting 2nite #meatcamp -8:00 PM Apr 1st, 2010


carrieoliver All, plz join #meatcamp & protect UR right to buy meat from your fav. farm or butcher. Or plz excuse extra posting 2nite.#meatcamp -7:59 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy I’m hashing out some computer problems but I’ll do my best to keep up! #meatcamp -7:55 PM Apr 1st, 2010


Minkpuppy This is Lisa from Houston, I’m a USDA imports inspector who will soon be handling Consumer Safety Insp. tasks again!#meatcamp -7:54 PM Apr 1st, 2010


meatcamp @FVCattle Having spent 8 years in DC, nothing would surprise me when it comes to influence peddling. #meatcamp -7:46 PM Apr 1st, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Join me for a #meatcamp n 15mins TweetChat at:http://tweetchat.com/room/meatcamp #meatcamp -7:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle What better way to cut meat intake? #meatcamp -7:44 PM Apr 1st, 2010


FVCattle Whats the chance HSUS is helping influence FSIS policy?#meatcamp -7:43 PM Apr 1st, 2010


ProteinSlayer John Johns Custom Meats Small USDA processor (for now) I’ll be watching “BIGGEST NON NATURAL DISASTER EVER” #meatcamp -7:42 PM Apr 1st, 2010

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One thought on “#meatcamp Transcript, 01 April 2010

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