#meatcampt Transcript, 18 March 2010

Tonight we discussed various ways people interact with livestock.  The viewpoints were varied and the conversation was certainly interesting!


4hfarmer why is twitter sooooo slow?! #meatcamp -9:23 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @KyFarmersMatter pigs have bad eyesight, and limited peripheral vision #meatcamp -9:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer My blog is… http://www.4hfarmer.blogspot.com – go check it out and comment let me know what you think. Anyone else have blogs etc?#meatcamp -9:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer @iTweetMeat hahah! THat just gave me a good laugh for the night.. #meatcamp -9:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver We’ll keep the channel open but thank you to all 4 all who joined or lurked & to others for forgiving my extra posts. Cheers!#meatcamp -9:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer I have learned that you need 2 b patient and take advantage of their instincts.. #meatcamp -9:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @sollmana HowDEE! Will you be eating meat on Ag Day? 😉#meatcamp -9:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee @nycUlla me too. More than you might think possible.#meatcamp -9:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz @sollmana yes but much easier on hogs &people than an hr chasing, slapping cussing #meatcamp -9:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat LOL! RT @KyFarmersMatter: Goat Goat Goat hehehehehe bleehhh bleehhh & #bacon #bacon ~I like 2mess w/the bots 🙂#meatcamp -9:19 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @sollmana Not so much here. Its the forward that requires patience. Thy’ll go pretty smoothly n the reverse #meatcamp -9:19 PM Mar 18th, 2010


sollmana Suppose I should introduce myself. Amanda, MSU student in ag ed, just hovering and watching the #meatcamp convo on TweetDeck 🙂 -9:19 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Goat Goat Goat hehehehehe bleehhh bleehhh & #bacon#bacon ~I like 2mess w/the bots 🙂 #meatcamp -9:18 PM Mar 18th, 2010


sollmana @KyFarmersMatter True, but backing up hogs def requires patience and understanding flight zone. Otherwise gets difficult.#meatcamp -9:18 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @4hfarmer What lessons about animal handling have you learned? Does working around cattle make you nervous/feel unsafe?#meatcamp -9:18 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @goatsgoats Dirty spam bot, go away bleehhh bleehhh#meatcamp -9:17 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nycUlla @DayAngus @JulianSlee ths is tru! I miss the wrkn dogs. They wr gr8! #meatcamp -9:17 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Go go gadget goat bot! #meatcamp -9:17 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer Sooo what are we talking about? @itweetmeat #meatcamp -9:16 PM Mar 18th, 2010


goatsgoats RT @WriteNowBiz @KyFarmersMatter yep – same applies for sheep/goats etc where bosses go others follow #meatcamp -9:16 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @nel1jack Good point. #meatcamp -9:16 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer I would love for ya’ll 2 check my stuff out and comment let me know what u think 🙂 #meatcamp -9:16 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer as well as my 4Hfarmer fanpage… http://bit.ly/aU3nyq#meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat RT @carrieoliver: Well have special AUS guest next week who trains folks how to manage livestock effectively. #meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Now I’m missing Patches. She just knew what to do.#meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee @nycUlla options and best choices change with scale and type of operation and location. #meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus RT @nel1jack: A good trained dog, can bring the livestock to you. working by voice commands or whistles. #meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @nycUlla I could see that. The grass is always greener. We rotate too but the pastures are side by side #meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer FB group: “Young AGvocates for the future of Farming!”http://bit.ly/d2oiu3 #meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @KyFarmersMatter cause when they are backing up they can see you. #meatcamp -9:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


Longknife12 http://twitpic.com/19fmda – Tonight Steak (sirloin) & Guinness Stew. #meatcamp -9:14 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack A good trained dog, can bring the livestock to you. working by voice commands or whistles. #meatcamp -9:14 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nycUlla @DayAngus yeah, we had border collies when I was little but w/ the rotational grazing the animals R so much easier 2 handle.#meatcamp -9:14 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer my blog is http://www.4hfarmer.blogspot.com & I have 2 FB fanpages…. #meatcamp -9:14 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver We’ll have special AUS guest next week who trains folks how to manage livestock effectively. Will be trying video stream, 2.#meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @4hfarmer Share your blog link as 4H Farmer with#meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer haha good answer! @iTweetMeat #meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


PoppyDavis @JulianSlee that’s a great perspective on big and small and place-based methods. #meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat The party never stops. RT @4hfarmer: is meatcamp over?#meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nycUlla @iTweetMeat Yes, but U R not the norm. I luv 2 C wrkn dogs. Grew up w/ border collies. They R wonderful #meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @ProteinSlayer says I shud tell yall that n r exp a hog is best backup rather thn pushed 4ward. Thy resist less. Dunno Y, jus do.#meatcamp -9:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat This was a nice primer for an upcoming chat we’ll have soon. #meatcamp -9:12 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer @meatcamp I will soon be doing Hereford cattle and at the moment I do wool & meat sheep. #meatcamp -9:12 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer is meatcamp over? #meatcamp -9:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @4hfarmer What kind of sheep and cattle? #meatcamp -9:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


Porkchop1950 Don’t tell her, I know who it is at my house. :>) RT@iTweetMeat @WriteNowBiz Ah, the “herd boss.” always a lead cow isn’t there? #meatcamp -9:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


sollmana @nel1jack Yup, and I can always tell the squeal (no matter how big they are) that says ‘You’re stepping on me! Get off!’ #meatcamp -9:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Lots o Grannies out there! RT @iTweetMeat: Ours is Old Val. RT @DayAngus@KyFarmersMatter Ours is Big LiL #meatcamp -9:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @nycUlla Our Borders have only a little training and are very good #meatcamp -9:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer Hey all, I’m am REALLLLLY late! 16yr old 4her.. i do beef and sheep #meatcamp -9:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee @meatcamp some of the stations using choppers in Aus are the size of European nations. #meatcamp -9:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @nycUlla Q4 when you are working by yourself a WELL trained dog can be useful but we do not have one. #meatcamp -9:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Ours is Old Val. RT @DayAngus@KyFarmersMatter Ours is Big LiL #meatcamp -9:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer @DayAngus yuppers… how long does it last? #meatcamp -9:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat This has been interesting, and we haven’t even gotten through 1/2 of our questions! #meatcamp -9:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @WriteNowBiz horses too. One gets out, jump on the lead 2bring ’em back in #meatcamp -9:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nycUlla #meatcamp Q4 working dogs are hard to train. Those options seem extreme to me. WE rotate our cattle so they always want to move. -9:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @KyFarmersMatter Ours is Big LiL #meatcamp -9:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @sollmana the terrified squeal will get every sow in the vicinity stirred up and “huffing” #meatcamp -9:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz @KyFarmersMatter yep – same applies for sheep/goats etc where bosses go others follow #meatcamp -9:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @sollmana @nel1jack @iTweetmeat I know if a cow has lost a calf or in heat or just hungry by her bawl #meatcamp -9:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @iTweetMeat @WriteNowBiz I always call our lead cow the Granny. She takes care of the calves while moms r off playin’ lol#meatcamp -9:08 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Yes there is! RT @iTweetMeat@WriteNowBiz Ah, the “herd boss.” There is always the one lead cow, isnt there? #meatcamp -9:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @KyFarmersMatter and a bag of range cubes on the back helps too #meatcamp -9:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


sollmana So true!! Ah, pig speak… RT @nel1jack@iTweetMeat@Oliverranch theres a terrified squeal, a squeal of joy, general squealing#meatcamp -9:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q4: Oh I luv the 4wheeler 4when we actually hv it (son likes 2snatch it). Herd is used 2it. Doesnt bother ’em #meatcamp -9:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @JulianSlee Q4 That makes sense, I suppose. Saw helicopters chasing cattle on video, seemed a bit extreme. Who wants a stampede?#meatcamp -9:06 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus I agree dominant cow is the keyRT @WriteNowBiz:@carrieoliver if herd knowing boss animals helps a lot #meatcamp -9:06 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @WriteNowBiz Ah, the “herd boss.” There is always the one lead cow, isn’t there? #meatcamp -9:06 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @iTweetMeat @Oliverranch theres a terrified squeal, a squeal of joy, general squealing #meatcamp -9:06 PM Mar 18th, 2010


sollmana @nel1jack Haha, my sis & a professor were just having a conversation about the different squeals of a pig! Good vs. bad squeals 🙂 #meatcamp -9:06 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver Yes def 4us cuz we deal w/lots of diff livestock frm all over #meatcamp -9:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


PoppyDavis @meatcamp Big spaces long distance migration – that’s a whole other story. #meatcamp But aren’t u suppose 2drive them as slow as possible? -9:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz @carrieoliver if herd knowing boss animals helps a lot#meatcamp -9:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Anyone else hear banjo music? RT @nel1jack@DayAngus@iTweetMeat all squeals are not the same. #meatcamp -9:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @nel1jack Why am I hearing banjo music? #meatcamp -9:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @CarrieOliver depends on if you’re dealing with an individual or a herd #meatcamp -9:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @CallicrateBeef LOL, a little! 😉 We’ve been providing links, etc. to the work of the good Dr. G this evening #meatcamp -9:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee Q4 Cost and distance covered #meatcamp -9:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter That’s right. There’s a little bit of “getting to know you” for each animal. #meatcamp -9:03 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus Q4 We are too small of livestock farm to even think about ATVs or other methods #meatcamp -9:03 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @DayAngus @iTweetMeat all squeals are not the same.#meatcamp -9:03 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @KyFarmersMatter So it’s best to know each cattle or sheep’s personality, flight zone, is that correct? #meatcamp -9:03 PM Mar 18th, 2010


PoppyDavis In context of #Q4 -moving 2new pasture not easier 2open gate&have goodies on other side than shoo from behind & triggering flight? #meatcamp -9:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @meatcamp Q4 Distance, very large spaces? One-on-one in more managed spaces? #meatcamp -9:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


CallicrateBeef I understand that Temple Grandin of Colo State U has done a bit of research on handling animals #meatcamp -9:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee @DayAngus First shot looks like red dust of outback NSW#meatcamp -9:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Key is u have 2find that animals flight zone. Its not the same 4every animal. Watch their cues #meatcamp -9:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @DayAngus My brother was the pig person, not me. I am w/ u on the squealing! #meatcamp -9:01 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp Q4 So if can use flight zone of livestock to manage movement, why do some use ATVs, motorbikes, helicopters?#meatcamp -9:01 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @iTweetMeat like a wheelbarrow. grab both back legs and steer. easier on the back #meatcamp -9:00 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Um, yeah that was supposed 2say she is a great tempered mare #meatcamp -9:00 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @iTweetMeat @nel1jack piglet is the only staged that I liked for that reason LOL #meatcamp -9:00 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter We have a blind horse. She’s a tempered great mare, but must use sound 2announce ur presence & work n her comfort zone#meatcamp -9:00 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack ‘give em some daylight’ <-sound familiar? #meatcamp -8:59 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @nel1jack By the leg? Amazes me how you can pick up a piglet by leg, no to little squeal. Cup form underneath, hell breaks loose#meatcamp -8:59 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Generally, they are basically lookin’ 4a point of escape. Use it 2get 2 “escape” 2where u’re wanting ’em 2go 🙂 #meatcamp -8:58 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus RT @iTweetMeat: Q4 Here’s what flight zone is all about:http://bit.ly/9uqrfI #meatcamp -8:58 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @iTweetMeat right, How close we can get before they bolt#meatcamp Q4 -8:57 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Q4 Here’s what flight zone is all about: http://bit.ly/9uqrfI#meatcamp -8:57 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Q4 It’s basically how “close” you can get to an animal and how they react to you, “i can see you!” #meatcamp -8:56 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus Q4 flight zone refers 2 the animals vision zone. Cattle put thr heads dn 4 better perspective. That y we lead w/ the heads up#meatcamp -8:56 PM Mar 18th, 2010


PoppyDavis @KyFarmersMatter there’s a reason some make the devil look like a goat – but they are so tasty! #meatcamp #sidebar -8:56 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack http://twitpic.com/19ficr we used to walk the pigs over to the finishing pen #meatcamp -8:55 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp RT Q4 Understand difft livestck have difft “flight zones.” What is it & how can it be used to move livestck to new pastures, etc?#meatcamp -8:55 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee @iTweetMeat Jersey bulls ahve that reputaion down under too.#meatcamp -8:55 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Same basic rules o thumb apply 2all livestock imo,calm patience gentlehand-goats r a bit funny tho & all that bleehh drive me nuts #meatcamp -8:54 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @WriteNowBiz Me too – I get cussed for that too. #meatcamp-8:54 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver Q4 Understand diff’t livestock have diff’t “flight zones.” What is it & how can it be used to move livestock to new pastures, etc?#meatcamp -8:53 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Meanest animal ever: the neighbor’s Jersey bull. That dude scared me. A lot. #meatcamp -8:53 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz large place I worked once cussed me; calves I’d started wouldn’ drive for squat but followed you anywhere you wanted them#meatcamp -8:53 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Yes, please chime in! RT @DayAngus@4hfarmer jump in you handle livestock #meatcamp -8:53 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @DayAngus Sometime’s there is the occasional “senior citizen” who must be lead, too #meatcamp -8:52 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @4hfarmer jump in you handle livestock #meatcamp -8:52 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz only bad 1 I’ve had was a dangerous ram; crosstied in for his last trip; culled 4attitude #meatcamp -8:51 PM Mar 18th, 2010


4hfarmer @GaneshaXi haha, I think they are mostly talking about animal/livestock handling- i’m just listening in.. #meatcamp – -8:51 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @iTweetMeat Yes, we have four year cows that our lead by the daughter -probably too pampered #meatcamp -8:51 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @iTweetMeat alive. course might be why I’ve got a bad back now. #meatcamp -8:50 PM Mar 18th, 2010


ganeshaxi Oh. There’s a #meatcamp chat going on. o.O Think I should probably stay away from that one. 😉 -8:50 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @DayAngus As in, must lead ex show heifer into chute for EVERYTHING? I know! #meatcamp -8:50 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz @nel1jack lol when her head was covered & she started backing up direct the butt in…she’s loaded! #meatcamp -8:50 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat And alive? RT @nel1jack@WriteNowBiz get me and baby brother (wed a got em loaded) #meatcamp -8:49 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz saw a sow in an “old time” hog house nearly come out of the top after someone when her pig squealed #meatcamp -8:49 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @iTweetMeat i agree thr R many large farms that prefer not 2 have that ultimate tame lead on the halter cow lk at R house.#meatcamp -8:49 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat 3a The common answer among species is being quiet and calm, and being around the animals. #meatcamp -8:49 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee @iTweetMeat They understand how to move through the yards, and are used to being around humans/dogs/horses/motorbikes#meatcamp -8:49 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @WriteNowBiz get me and baby brother (we’d a got em loaded)#meatcamp -8:48 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q3: Ha! I had a Veterinarian farmer chasing lambies all over the farm here. Was hysterical! #meatcamp -8:48 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz not necessary to rough them up #meatcamp -8:48 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @nel1jack Absolutely. I have limited experience but had 2 jump fast over 5+ft fence when mamma cow charged as we tried to tag calf #meatcamp -8:47 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz told ’em cover the pig’s head & back in; they proceeded to whip on them; I grabbed an empty garbage pail, backed her right on#meatcamp -8:47 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Q3 I think there’s a difference between the “gotta break ’em” vs. “gotta work with ’em” mindset (though I say “halterbroke…”)#meatcamp -8:47 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @PoppyDavis Hi there. Chime in anytime. #meatcamp -8:46 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz @goatsgoats some yrs ago had a disagreement about loadin a couple sows; people chased ’em for an hour trying to get them on trlr #meatcamp -8:46 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @CarrieOliver handling animals with care should include thw handlers safety also #meatcamp -8:46 PM Mar 18th, 2010


PoppyDavis Hi, #meatcamp – lurking – enjoying your good conversation – this topic is very near and dear 2 me (from a #western perspective – mainly.) -8:46 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @JulianSlee Welcome! A lot of cattle ranchers say the same, they make sure livestock used to ramps, gates, squeezed places.#meatcamp -8:46 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @goatsgoats A goat bot? #meatcamp -8:45 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat GREAT POINT! RT @WriteNowBiz: even a small farm w/ poor handling skills can have goofy animals though #meatcamp -8:45 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Absolutely! RT @WriteNowBiz: even a small farm w/ poor handling skills can have goofy animals though #meatcamp -8:45 PM Mar 18th, 2010


goatsgoats RT @carrieoliver Are general rules of handling livestock w/ care the same with sheep, goats, pigs vs. cattle or cows? #meatcamp -8:45 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz even a small farm w/ poor handling skills can have goofy animals though #meatcamp -8:44 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver Q3(a) Are general rules of handling livestock w/ care the same with sheep, goats, pigs vs. cattle or cows? #meatcamp -8:44 PM Mar 18th, 2010


follownathan @iTweetMeat @CarrieOliver What would it take to allow more on site kill & processors? It seems as though we have too many hoops #meatcamp -8:44 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @JulianSlee Trained range cattle? How does that work? Then they chill out once handled more, eh? #meatcamp -8:44 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @iTweetMeat well it was on the other side of a fence,#meatcamp -8:43 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus I agree RT @nel1jack: Q3. depends on the human exposure they’ve had. and if they’ve been around more than one human#meatcamp -8:42 PM Mar 18th, 2010


JulianSlee Q3 Think it is an issue of how they are “trained” range animals handled repeatedly through yards etc at weaning are easy to handle#meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @nel1jack fortunately that calf did not eat you. #meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz @CarrieOliver I’m not surprised & agree – calm animals much better on many points #meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @follownathan My comment to @WriteNowBiz also meant to respond to you, sorry. Ppl starting to ask re: whole process, a good thing #meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @iTweetMeat yup, about 3 yrs old #meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @follownathan True enough. Though every one of them were stunned in a restrainer/chute. #meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q3: IDK bout range vs. feedlot but I can tell dif when farmer personally handles ’em & 1 that does not. #meatcamp -8:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus Q3 yes when we receive cattle from west handle by horses there is adjustment period to pens and more hands on handling#meatcamp -8:40 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Is that you in the pic? RT @nel1jack: Calm the cattle down with food. http://twitpic.com/19e0mc #meatcamp -8:40 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz Q3 YES but not that; animals from certain types of handling are over other tho #meatcamp -8:40 PM Mar 18th, 2010


follownathan @iTweetMeat A cow in a chute on a label won’t sell. Cow on a pasture does. Don’t ask don’t tell #meatcamp -8:40 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack Q3. depends on the human exposure they’ve had. and if they’ve been around more than one human #meatcamp -8:39 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @WriteNowBiz I’ve found @ my tastings that people surprised to hear how low stress farm2slaughter matters. Ask lots of ?s bout it #meatcamp -8:39 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Q3 Do you think animals from certain systems are harder to handle than other? (i.e. range cattle vs. feedlot cattle) #meatcamp -8:38 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @nel1jack Ugh, we had 2disguise ours. It was one of those D’oh moments 🙂 #meatcamp -8:38 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz many don’t think how it gets from pasture 2 processor or there 2 grocer #meatcamp -8:38 PM Mar 18th, 2010


eventRobot @iTweetMeat Have you been spying on us? LOL yep, & s’times “no it all” w/a hot stick. Ticks me off #meatcamp -8:38 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @KyFarmersMatter and make sure you don’t unload right over a drain. #meatcamp -8:37 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @Big_Norm Thanks for joining. I’m having trouble getting posts out so hopefully you’ll see this eventually. #meatcamp -8:37 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @follownathan That people don’t want to think about that part? #meatcamp -8:37 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @DayAngus “Attitude Challenged” cattle (livestock) is a new one, lol #meatcamp -8:37 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz Q2 I think the public doesn’t realize it so doesn’t find it as interesting as general *to* talk about; #meatcamp -8:36 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @DayAngus@WriteNowBiz I agree we cull for attitude also #meatcamp -8:36 PM Mar 18th, 2010


follownathan @iTweetMeat Q2 My guess is that once you add trucks and chutes that doesn’t fit in nicely with the equation of sales #meatcamp -8:36 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @FarmrPhil Those 2 were pinning us up. I wiped my brow & gave the gud lord a thank you when it was over 🙂 #meatcamp -8:36 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @WriteNowBiz I agree we cull for attitude also #meatcamp -8:36 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @FarmrPhil I have had similar experiences with some bug-eyed, ears-up, spooky Lims #meatcamp -8:35 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q2 IDK cuz chutes & stuff can lead 2 bad temper if not set up right. Really import IMO #meatcamp -8:35 PM Mar 18th, 2010


Big_Norm @FarmrPhil Its so easy isn’t it 🙂 #meatcamp -8:34 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Yet so many things can go awry. Great point! RT @nel1jack: Q2 chutes & trucks = <1% of the animals existence #meatcamp -8:34 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz any animal from rabbits to bulls – temperament a culling factor IMO; no animal worth injury to self or other animals #meatcamp -8:34 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus @iTweetMeat on our farm it is the genetic package. Angus are smart they do not forget anything. #meatcamp -8:34 PM Mar 18th, 2010


StuartDonald Sorry all, forgot about #meatcamp I was out buying the decent chicken to fry up later. What did I miss? -8:34 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @KyFarmersMatter You want to try bad Lim X’s – not safe as totally unpredictable – trick is to identify lunatic animal b4 injury!#meatcamp -8:33 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack Q2 chutes & trucks = <1% of the animals existence #meatcamp-8:33 PM Mar 18th, 2010


WriteNowBiz RT @FarmrPhil@iTweetMeat You can learn a lot from watching a sheepdog working – same with pple and cattle . #meatcamp<agree -8:33 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Modern, PC farming –> RT @DayAngus: We have attitude challenged calves also but it is genetics #meatcamp -8:33 PM Mar 18th, 2010


Big_Norm RT @FarmrPhil@CarrieOliver Good people with cattle involves patience, respect and confidence. No need to rush or be noisy.#meatcamp -8:32 PM Mar 18th, 2010


masterbutcher I agree, respect for and of the animal is foremost to comfort, but also exp. & familiarity #meatcamp -8:32 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack Calm the cattle down with food. http://twitpic.com/19e0mc#meatcamp -8:32 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @DayAngus Welcome, Cheryl. What do you think can making handling livestock a challenge? #meatcamp -8:32 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @DayAngus Welcome, we’re seeing some shaky Twitter behavior, hope it’s better for you! #meatcamp -8:32 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus We have attitude challenged calves also but it is genetics#meatcamp -8:31 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Q2 Why do you think we don’t talk so much about chutes/trucks/etc but get so jazzed about production practices & welfare? #meatcamp -8:31 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver @iTweetMeat In this case was the cattle, Farmers gud folk. Jus really bad temp was reg black angus heifers & mad #meatcamp -8:31 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @meatcamp I used to work horses as well – same principles altho you will rarely win an argument with a cow – too stubborn!#meatcamp -8:31 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @KyFarmersMatter You talking about the cattle being nuts 2 start or the ranchers? #meatcamp -8:29 PM Mar 18th, 2010


DayAngus Sorry late to #meatcamp Cheryl raise Angus cattle -8:29 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter The farmer or the cattle? (nuts)#meatcamp -8:29 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @iTweetMeat Mosltly loners, but this week was a duo. Thy musta bn nuts 2start w/. Som serious attitude goin’ on. Plum dangerous #meatcamp -8:28 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat See, Twitter can be like livestock … takes patience. RT@KyFarmersMatter: My twitter is crappin out on me. #meatcamp -8:28 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat And at same time, experience, confidence. RT @nel1jack:@follownathan acceptance. those animals can kill you, respect that.#meatcamp -8:27 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @CarrieOliver Good people with cattle involves patience, respect and confidence. No need to rush or be noisy. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @FarmrPhil That’s interesting. Large animals (cattle, horses) scare me. I’d think I could get over that with time? #meatcamp -8:26 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter Are the difficult ones to deal with often brought to you by themselves? No other buddies on the trailer?#meatcamp -8:26 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter My twitter is crappin’ out on me. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver Also, I’m a girl so I go talk 2 ’em, pet ’em if thy let me or depends s’times just best 2leave ’em b 4awhile#meatcamp -8:26 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @follownathan acceptance. those animals can kill you, respect that. #meatcamp -8:26 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver If will unload n2 pens,we leave ’em there ’til calm down. If wont unload, we leave ’em on trailer til ready2come off#meatcamp -8:25 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @iTweetMeat Covered with tin or ply so they can’t see thro’ them #meatcamp -8:25 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @CarrieOliver Very difficult to teach people to be good with cattle – In my opinion they are brought up to it #meatcamp -8:24 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter Oh yeah, wait… perhaps bad hooves b/c soft pack manure? #meatcamp -8:24 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp RT @FarmrPhil: You can learn a lot from watching sheepdog working – same with pple & cattle – mental persuasion not chasing them. #meatcamp -8:23 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @FarmrPhil Maybe I’m used to them, but what is a “covered gate”? #meatcamp -8:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @iTweetMeat Have you been spying on us? LOL yep, & s’times “no it all” w/a hot stick. Ticks me off #meatcamp -8:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp RT @follownathan@KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver lil off topic: been around livestock but not handled. Tips 4 getting comfortable? #meatcamp -8:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @meatcamp unload, pen, and get away #meatcamp -8:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @iTweetMeat In UK very ltd use of covered gates – US use them more and I think they’re better. Attitude of people critical also#meatcamp -8:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


masterbutcher @FarmrPhil great point #meatcamp -8:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @nel1jack Not doubt! Need good pens, corrals, ramps, etc. to work ’em through to the truck. #meatcamp -8:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


follownathan @KyFarmersMatter @carrieoliver lil off topic: I’ve been around livestock but not handled per say. Tips for getting comfortable?#meatcamp -8:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @KyFarmersMatter What do you do to let them settle?#meatcamp -8:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter And it’s usually the guy with a, well, let’s call it “outlier” animal and hauls it in wooden rack of pickup. #meatcamp-8:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @iTweetMeat You can learn a lot from watching a sheepdog working – same with pple and cattle – mental persuasion not chasing them. #meatcamp -8:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Yup! RT @nel1jack: If U have 2chase the animals all over God’s green earth to get them loaded, the trip isn’t going 2calm em down #meatcamp -8:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @meatcamp time & patience n r case.let ’em get settled, feel comfortable, stop anxiety…most’ll settle dwn on own if given chance #meatcamp -8:19 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack If you have to chase the animals all over God’s green earth to get them loaded, the trip isn’t going to calm them down #meatcamp -8:19 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @iTweetMeat Absolutely! I can tell when they pull in. Hard time loading = hard time at ye old meat shop 😦 #meatcamp -8:18 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat My Twitter is not playing nicely… Fingers crossed!#meatcamp -8:17 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @iTweetMeat Most Def & goes both ways #meatcamp -8:17 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter Do you think there’s another factor making the stock cranky to begin with? As in perhaps a bad trip 2 u?#meatcamp -8:17 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @KyFarmersMatter What makes livestock cranky (other than inborn temperament)? How can one calm them on pasture, truck, etc.#meatcamp -8:16 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @KyFarmersMatter All about the ‘tude, eh? #meatcamp -8:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Q1: handler w/no patience 😦 & cranky livestock w/no patience. Som just hav bad temperament. Handling facilities equally important #meatcamp -8:15 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver RT @nel1jack: if the ppl are working the animals R scared of them, the animals get exponentially harder to handle <– makes sense#meatcamp -8:14 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @FarmrPhil Perhaps UK chute/corral/holding pen design info? #meatcamp -8:14 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @FarmrPhil You have a lot of experience with this topic, please let us know what you do or have learned re: low stress handling#meatcamp -8:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @nel1jack Scaredy cats are dangerous when working with livestock. I think they’re more apt to get hurt #meatcamp -8:13 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack if the ppl are working the animals are scared of them, the animals get exponentially harder to handle #meatcamp -8:12 PM Mar 18th, 2010


masterbutcher I’m at the Local, and as such am relying on my mobile, so appologies if I’m a little behind #meatcamp -8:12 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack @iTweetMeat poor facilities, bad temperament animals, co-workers scared of the stock #meatcamp -8:12 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @nel1jack Welcome, former farmkid. #meatcamp -8:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil RT @iTweetMeat@carrieoliver IMO, People & facilities. Tho some stock T calmer than others, the man-made impact is big (i.e. good corrals, etc.) #meatcamp -8:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Hey hey! What are some of the challenges u’ve had working w/ livestock? RT @nel1jack: Nelson, SoTex, former farmkid #meatcamp -8:11 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Stun box, rather. RT @iTweetMeat@masterbutcher Really? Into the box is pretty much it? #meatcamp -8:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


nel1jack Nelson, SoTex, former farmkid #meatcamp -8:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp RT @carrieoliver I’ll ask Q1 of Chris, other/butcher experts: what R some of most common challenges of handling livestock#meatcamp -8:10 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @carrieoliver IMO, People & facilities. Tho some stock T calmer than others, the man-made impact is big (i.e. good corrals, etc.)#meatcamp -8:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @masterbutcher Welcome, nice to see you here again. Those last few moments critical. Love to hear what UR hearing from customers.#meatcamp -8:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @masterbutcher Really? Into the box is pretty much it?#meatcamp -8:08 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver I’ll ask Q1 of Chris, other livestock/butcher experts: what R some of most common challenges of handling livestock? #meatcamp -8:08 PM Mar 18th, 2010


masterbutcher But I feel like I’m learning a lot from my CSA & from all the farmers on twitter #meatcamp -8:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


bluebelleinbg Well I am now… RT @KyFarmersMatter: Hungry?http://twitpic.com/19f7us Ha! Bet you are now! 🙂 #meatcamp -8:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


masterbutcher I’m a city boy born & raised & as such have little exp. dealing w/livestock other than their last few moments #meatcamp -8:07 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @CarrieOliver: Did you know low-stress handling is also positive influence on flavor/texture? Plz join us & learn why#meatcamp -8:06 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @carrieoliver Yep, people can make all the difference! Yelling cattle into place never works well! #meatcamp -8:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @follownathan @launchgumhttp://artisanbeefinstitute.com/meatcamp/ brief overview of #meatcamp-8:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Very helpful! RT @carrieoliver: If not joining (using Twubs or TweetChat are best) please forgive extra posts 4 next hour. #meatcamp-8:05 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver If not joining (using Twubs or TweetChat are best) please forgive extra posts 4 next hour. #meatcamp -8:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat For those participating or lurking, please intro yourselves if you haven’t done so already #meatcamp -8:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter Hungry? http://twitpic.com/19f7us Ha! Bet you are now! 🙂 #meatcamp -8:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver Did you know low-stress handling is also positive influence on flavor/texture? Plz join us & learn why #meatcamp -8:03 PM Mar 18th, 2010


follownathan @launchgum You should ask @iTweetMeat and or@CarrieOliver for an official #meatcamp description -8:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


andreabakes @CarrieOliver I look forward to that video. Funny!#meatcamp -8:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat I really enjoy working with livestock. Knowing how to handle them makes all the difference in the world – quiet, relaxed… #meatcamp-8:02 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @andreabakes I have a separate video of @podchef‘s pigs with their tails spinning as they hit the motherlode on new pasture.#meatcamp -8:01 PM Mar 18th, 2010


andreabakes Will be editing something in a few but I’m here. And then I’ll be back. #meatcamp -8:01 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @follownathan Welcome, lurker. @tbnh Sorry you can’t make it @GreenApron C’mon, join. @kyFarmersMatter Glad you’re here!#meatcamp -7:59 PM Mar 18th, 2010


follownathan Lurking and working tonight on #meatcamp -7:56 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @GreenApron Ha! DVR my friend DVR 🙂 #meatcamp -7:53 PM Mar 18th, 2010


GreenApron This is something I need to attend #meatcamp rub elbows with the people who raise meat right @KyFarmersMatter but UK’s on TV?-7:49 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter RT @CarrieOliver: For #meatcamp starting in 15 minutes, here’s @Podchef moving his pigs to new pasturehttp://bit.ly/1agUBM (short vid) -7:47 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver For #meatcamp starting in 15 minutes, here’s @Podchefmoving his pigs to new pasture http://bit.ly/1agUBM (short vid) -7:45 PM Mar 18th, 2010


tgnh I was so looking forward 2 learning about livestock handling tonight…got to go resolve some issues on site. ;(( #meatcamp I miss ya!-7:41 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat @andreabakes Love a full report on the burgers! Playing with different cuts? #meatcamp -7:37 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Nothing nicer than working cattle in a very quiet space! – all abt the people – Point of Balance – http://bit.ly/b8huQd – #meatcamp -7:31 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Nice vid by the one and only Dr. G. about moving cattle in a chute – http://bit.ly/adHMp9 – #meatcamp -7:29 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @CarrieOliver I missed Temple Grandin when she was in UK but I admire her theories and handling designs. #meatcamp -7:22 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp RT @CarrieOliver For #meatcamp tonite (8p ET), gr8 example of moving cattle on foot & w/ gentle movements http://bit.ly/aHF5lS(short video) -7:21 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @FarmrPhil Was 1st lesson I learned, low stress handling wasn’t just feel good thing, it led to better flavor/texture/quality.#meatcamp -7:16 PM Mar 18th, 2010


FarmrPhil @CarrieOliver Stress or lack of it on cattle, particularly imm prior to slaughter can influence meat quality and eating experience#meatcamp -7:12 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver For #meatcamp tonight (8p ET), gr8 example of how to move cattle on foot & w/ gentle movements http://bit.ly/aHF5lS (short video) -7:09 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KyFarmersMatter @meatcamp LOL U betcha! 🙂 #pistachiocamp#meatcamp #artichokecamp -7:04 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @paul_shinn Be still my beating heart, artichokes, bacon or prosciutto, pistachios, butter in one dish. Who need’s the pasta?#meatcamp -6:58 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @paul_shinn #artichokecamp is younger sibling of#meatcamp (weekly chats on Thurs 8p ET. Turns out, we all like ’em, except @KyFarmersMatter -6:55 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp @iTweetMeat Maybe we should start hosting a#pistachiocamp alongside #meatcamp and #artichokecamp cc @tgnh@paul_shinn @kyfarmersmatter -6:50 PM Mar 18th, 2010


meatcamp RT @iTweetMeat Come share your knowledge about what it’s like working with livestock tonight at #meatcamp, 8pET. -6:20 PM Mar 18th, 2010


animalag Good point! RT @iTweetMeat: Working with livestock is a really cool example of how science and art interact on the farm #meatcamp -4:59 PM Mar 18th, 2010


KansasBeef RT @iTweetMeat: Come share your knowledge about what it’s like working with livestock tonight at #meatcamp, 8pET. -4:57 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Working with livestock is a really cool example of how science and art interact on the farm #meatcamp -4:56 PM Mar 18th, 2010


iTweetMeat Come share your knowledge about what it’s like working with livestock tonight at #meatcamp, 8pET. -4:30 PM Mar 18th, 2010


carrieoliver @JulianSlee Yes, we want to learn/share what’s different b/t raising/handing sheep, cattle, cows, pigs & impact on #meat #meatcamp-3:23 PM Mar 18th, 2010

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